838 Or 854 Gravy Saucer for gallery : measurements added

I photographed this last Tuesday at Habitat Whangarei.

I'm guessing 838.



Same pic but a bit more room around the edges:

Thanks so much Jeremy, I've checked everywhere I can think of for measurements, but can't find any.  The fact that it has a lustred rim edge says it is from an earlier time - pre 1964 at least. No measurements for the 854 either, but it does go with the 857 Sauceboat. Perhaps the 838 is vitrified ....?

I'll check measurements if it still there next week.

From the museum pic I'm wondering if the 838 has some relief decoration on one end???

Gravy saucer
195 x 155

Sorry I neglected to measure the well.

I found two cups and saucers in this pattern, but they are on the Bell Cup shape from 1981 which doesn't add up with the early Kelston Potteries stamp above ..... ???
Must add the pattern to the No Names Gallery too !!!  The saucers have d58000 Made in New Zealand stamped on them, but there is only Topaz Pat.No.580 and Alpine d58000 in the Database and I have the Alpine ....?

I am sure this is Vals book ! just the number but no pattern name... yep page 69 of the second book

Good spotting Ms Janice
Still none the wiser re the pattern though.

Question.. is this the same pattern ?
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4619-no-name-blossom-from-fi

I don't see a match there Janice. None of the blossoms look the same, though it does look similar.