Modellers drawings of mugs to be identified ...

I've pulled out all of the mugs from the Modellers Drawings to try to help identify them.  Some of these may just be drafts that were never manufactured?  
We may already have some of these as I didn't spend much time checking them, so if you recognise any please let me know.

a.

b.

c.

d.

e.

f.

g. Is 1208 Thanks Kat ...

h. Is 1211 Thanks Kat

i.

j.

k.

l. - Perhaps the Classique Coffee Mug 1385 ?

m.  This could be that big mug with the ridge down the handle ...?

n.  This has the title 'Jim's Mug'.

o.

p.

q.  This has the title 'Franklin Mint'

r.

s.  This could be the 1373 Cylinder Mug I think ...

Pretty certain G & H are 1208 & 1211..

Correct Kat and I've added that info to the drawings. Thanks.

"O" is a mug for on a boat, and they are always popping up in opshops.
I have a photo on my camera roll of a friend's one I took a year or so ago so it will take some finding. I had presumed CL made one.
I have also seen this mugs in this shape with musical mechanisms in the base, presumably not the CL one.

Here is my friend's mug, just to give an idea.
Judging from the handle, and apparent lack of footring, I think not CL.

Kat,

I have printed these drawings off on 3 sheets of A4 with a spare set for Jim.

Might save you some work.

Ev it is so good to see some of the honey glaze mugs in this selection of drawings. Mark Cleverley as we know said he had nothing to do with them. And he left in 1979. Interestingly Percy Golding doesnt talk about them either and he started just before Mark left. So the modellers must have churned out all those shapes without designer input? More questions to ask here. Maybe Bruce Yallop can shed some light.

This one actually looks like the one at Portage:
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489310/Plaster_model_-_mug

Jeremy, Could the one on your photo be this Titian mug?
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489376/Mug

haselnuss I think your "Titian" will be Titian Potteries ie Crown Lynn, and matches the modeller's drawing.

I think my friend's one is a match for the Portage one, the 1448.

I'm guessing CL made at least the two different ship mugs.

They have measurements on every item in the collection. Please check them and get back to us Jeremy. The drawings can also show the shrinkage from raw to glazed which is around 10% by the way. So they don't necessarily have two shapes unless stated or measurements show on the drawings.

Sorry no measurements as Geoff's mug is on Waiheke.

Geoff's has the belt around the middle as per the plaster mould at Portage.

The other has no belt, in fact it has a distinct waist, and has a pronounced flair at the top, as per the modeller's drawing.

Geoff's has a fat handle and other is slim.

Two distinct shapes. I'm not totally certain about Geoff's one but pretty sure about the other.

I use one of my apps to make side by side montages for comparison but cannot post because of copyright etc.

Do you know Portage's copyright policy?

The Portage has a Copyright clause added to every photo they have added which means absolutely no copying without permission. Links are the only way to go which go right back to the copyright holder. That is how all photos should be respected too.

Identified a few of these thanks to the Portage Collection -

1385 Tall Classique Mug

1387 Torso shape coffee mug

1448 Wide Footed Mug

1487 Beer Stein

Ev wrote:l. - Perhaps the Classique Coffee Mug 1385 ?

This looks like a 1314, the castware version of the 3050, and the measurements (90 x 75) match those of a Portage example that I know to be a 1314 as I have one too and have posted it on the forum:

http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490337/Mug_-_herb_garden

https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5248-herb-garden-q08-on-a-1314-mug#19614

my photo

I agree with you Jeremy

Could this be the 1487? The lip on the mugs in the auction look straighter. I have asked if they are numbered.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/art-deco-retro/kitchenware/auction-850091201.htm

I have that one and I just looked and it's an 1164.

While away over last week, we passed a firewood place in Golden Bay that had a wee sign on the side 'second hand goods'. We passed it twice, but I finally got a peek in there, and there was a large mixed selection of pottery - mostly at antique shop prices and with damage and a thick layer of dust! However I did manage to find this, which I have cleaned the outside of. I'd say it is fairly old, and has quite a bit of crazing, but it fits well into the ship's mug catagory. My measurements don't match either of the ones from the Portage though, at approx 98mm H 135mm W and 113mm Dia. I wasn't sure how you measure the width, I guess from outside handle to opposite base edge.


Although it is not clear in the photo, there is a definite shaping to the base edge, like the modeller's drawings

Showing the bevelled base edge

I cannot really show the base, as it is covered by a thick stodgy black rubbery substance. Will post another photo once I figure out how to clean it off.

Anne,
this one looks like Geoff's one, above, and the 1448s on Portage, but the waist on the one in the drawing has no belt like this.

As for measurements, the Portage plaster one will be oversized because it is a model and there will be lots of shrinkage before the final product.
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489310/Plaster_model_-_mug

You can see that in the smaller measurements of the finished one, the height of which is near enough the same as yours.
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489378/Mug_-_sailing_vessels

Taking Portage as a guide I'd call yours a 1448.

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16/2/16
The response from mumof1 below precedes this edit.

I have just bought a match for the Portage 1448. Finally.
Same pattern (schooner etc). Minor issues with measurements but near enough.
Wrt Portage mug description, I'd say the glaze is white rather than clear.


It is a shape match with Anne's one and has the same black rubber on the base.
With the exception of the base rubber, which has perished, mine appears to be in perfect condition.

I have seen a similar shape for sale on tm (2x) but made in California: marked as such.

Whilst Anne's and mine match Portage's 1448 and their plaster model none match the drawing above.


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13/12/16

For more on 1448 see
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t7237-no-spill-no-slide-californian-origins-of-the-1448-mug?highlight=1448

1387. We have identified two torso shapes, one plain-sided and one with rings. See
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5728-titianware-nz-mug-what-shape-is-it-please-1387

"q." "Franklin Mint" may be 1483. Other sizes might then be 1584 and 1485. See
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t8038-new-shape-castware-tankard-1483#32066

1487. Further three sizes might be 1488 to 1490. See
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t7352-harro-s-and-1487-for-the-gallery#29184
 "Franklin Mint"
.

Yes I see Jeremy, I measured the diameter at the base not the top, and the rest is hard to get an exact measurement so I winged it, hence the approx.

A great find Anne and I agree that it will be Crown Lynn as it is a New Zealand company advert.

Thanks Ev, and being a ships mug, we finally figured out what the bottom comment meant - We never slide perhaps I will leave that gooey stuff on the base, as that would ensure the Captain's tea wasn't spilt in rolling seas!