Cup shape 3038 revisited .....

3038 Similar to 3036 with 3056 Handle first made 12.9.75.

It is one of these .... [Thanks Mike I have used your clear pic.]


Yes the shape is similar to the 3036 shape -


3056 showing handle -


Looking at the Cup Handle info, this is what it says:
3038 - Cup same as 3024

3024 - Cup same as 3033 Handle to 3024 & 3038

We haven't identified the 3033 shape yet either ....

3024 is the Apollo Cup


Note how there is no mention of the 3036 handle in the Cup Handle info.

Let me digest this info ....

This cup has a 3024 handle, the same as fluted ( Apollo) but is it 3063 or 3033 or something else? I think its quite modern, seen on Charm, baroque, merlin and so forth

Yes that's right there are 4 shapes with the 3024 handle

3024 - 1969
3033 - 1973
3063 - 1983
3072 - after 1984

The Safari tribe use a cup with the Apollo handle ..... just like the one Janice posted above.
My head is totally confused, which happens so easily with these darn mugs!!

Here's a thought
3038 - we know has the handle of 3024 ( apollo - fluted ) because its tells us that on the shape gallery on the "handle page" also we have photos of it in the patterns book, that match with cup -3038

Then "what if" the  3038 cup "changed' its handle after 1975...


I have been trying to think of a method to prove this theory to be "right or wrong"
Maybe from patterns that we have using the 3056 handle we can pin point dates?
What a mystery to solve!!   

Janice, the definition directly above has a definite date on it: does the other definition "3038 - Cup same as 3024" also have a date?

(I know I should stay out of this debate as too many heads add further confusion, but since these shapes are both "coffee cans" and thus effectively descendants of the 782/3618/3022/3023 coffee can lineage, which otherwise appears to fizzle without trace, they are of particular interest to me.)

Hahaha ... no! I wish, that's what I am saying, how can we pin point a date for the photos we see in the patterns book and what it says on the handle page? That shows the cup on the right that mike put up

I find it odd that they use the 3056 handle as a reference as the 3056 wasn't made until 1981. Why didn't they refer to the 3022/23 handles which were made earlier? Or are they different again?

Ev,
Just because there records are written consecutively and thus chronologically does not necessarily mean that any particular line of the guide was not written retrospectively.

My guess is the reference you note here will have been relative to a shape currently in production at time of writing (which may give some idea of when the reference was written). What is out of sight (out of production?) is out of mind.

Clever people maybe but they could not see into the future.

Last ditch effort on this one thanks to Nana Bangles

The 3038 cup, [the 3036 shape with the Apollo 3024 shape handle] would have been made c1974 as the mug shape is 3036 and was first made in 1974.



The 3038 cup with the 3056 handle shows up c1975 in the cup records, but the 3056 was first made in 1981 which has always confused me and would have replaced the cup with the Apollo handle.  If anyone can pinpoint a clearer timeframe I would be most grateful



It would have been so much easier if they had given these two different cup shape numbers as they did with all of the others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will add both shapes to the Four Digit Cup Shapes Gallery to help researchers of the future.