crown lynn number one

has any one seen a number one that is plain glaze rather than a blotch fawn colour and flower hand painted, and are they all numbered as sainsbury used the same shape supplyed by cl

I had to think about your question signal red and I don't think I've ever seen a plain glazed 1 shape. Many of those very early shapes didn't get numbers on them and it looks like Salisbury may have used a stamp to number the vases that they decorated.
Have you seen a plain glazed 1 shape?

I've seen a trickle glaze on another web site but no others

I have this one with running glaze, a barely readible circular Made In N. Z. backstamp and fract numbers obscured by a transparent glaze

That's a good vase. Thanks for showing it. I was wondering if I could ask Tony a question about the pre-numbered trickle-glaze products? Occasionally you see references to "Ruskin glazes", and pots that are said to be early CL but some say are made in Belgium. These pots have shapes that do not seem to have made it in to the numbered line-up if they are Crown Lynn. Tony, what do you know of these early experimental Ambrico art vases, if that's what they were?
Thanks in advance.

I think traders make many claims about Crown Lynn in the hope that that increases the market value. My sense is that only some or perhaps most of the early shapes that were trialled were given shape numbers. The ones that weren't are sometimes referred to now as "experimental".

The Ruskin Pottery closed when Taylor died in 1935 and his glaze recipes died with him. I think any similarity between Ruskin sophisticated high-fired Orientalist glazes and CL is coincidence or perhaps wishful thinking.

The Wednesbury Museum at Sandwell has a pdf about Ruskin Pottery here: http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/downloads/file/1734/ruskin_pottery_leaflet

and brochures about the various types of Ruskin glazes here:

http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/downloads/download/675/ruskin_pottery_collections

Thanks for that Tony. Your words mesh with my understanding of the situation. I would really like to know more about these early "experimental" pieces. It doesn't look like anyone has tried (or is interested) in trying to compile a shape guide for them though. Its one of the most interesting questions I still have about CL. One of the glazes often attributed to this time is that turquoise and purple glaze, which I still don't know if it is or isn't.
Thanks again for the links too.

As a potter, I would really like to find about those early experimental pieces. The shapes are quite different and the glazes are unlike any other that were continued to be made.
There is very little information about them, but there were a some pieces in Jim Drummond's auction at Art and Object a few years ago and I was sent a photo of a private collection that is shrouded in secrecy, for reasons that I don't understand. The odd piece is listed on Trademe, but I can only tell this from the glaze colourings.
I've never seen a piece in real life, so can't comment on the clay used or the glazing properties. None have turned up on the site as yet either.
When and how did the term Ruskin get involved with this ware? Perhaps the same way as the term 'trickle glaze' ....? Always so many questions!