Which pieces of Crown Lynn were copied from overseas potteries?

Didn't realise that Clarice Cliff was targeted too, but copying is the highest form of flattery remember

Crown Lynn Shape 360 courtesy of dazza54


compare it to this Clarice Cliff White Lily Vase listed on TM -
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=697388260

I picked up a glazed version of what I presume is the 360 from Tikipunga marked just because it was $3 and gave it to a friend in Auckland who has the Clarice Cliff white.
We swapped them over to see how long his wife would take to notice.

To be honest, the Clarice Cliff is much nicer piece of pottery. I think I had the white CL at some time too but have not been able to locate it recently. The Crocus/Lotus/Waterlily shape was very popular and so you see similar around in Blue Mountain and other potteries too.

This is still a work in progress. I do not own the Grindley mug pictured but have a similar one from Burslem which in addition to the monogram also has "YMCA" impressed in the base. (I remember seeing another on tm.) No photo of that as I am without iPad atm.

Of all the vitrified mugs I have looked at so far (and I have three to add to my "Diner Mug" topic when I can photograph them) this one comes closest to the shape of the Crown Lynn 419.


I think this particular Grindley mug is actually newer than my 419. My Burslem appears to be older.

My (may be Grindley) Railways mug and others like it were the models for the Temuka and Crown Lynn Railway mugs.

Oh, btw, can anyone identify the monogram?
("WIC Cafeteria Service")

Thank you to William, trademe seller "majortrust" for use of his photo.
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Another

Ambrico Navy Bowl and Sterling vitrified bowl from East Liverpool Ohio.
No pics of CL yet. Will add later.
Sterling:
http://product-images.highwire.com/6494460/8439ceb0-d356-4136-86bd-c5bcd605e922_290.jpg

Ambrico link (no pic):
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t893-american-armed-forces-pottery#2257

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7/1/15
Recently identified CL 3049 appears to be based on one very similar from Royal Grafton, eg this one on etsy:
https://www.etsy.com/nz/listing/154563787/royal-grafton-england-fine-bone-china?ref=market

handle may be slightly different

Denby mug at Habitat Whangarei.

1953 Coronation Mug, Crown Lynn
1949 Royal Tour Mug, Portland Pottery, impressed marks "PPC" "ENGLAND"

The 1949 Royal Visit to Australia and New Zealand of George VI and his wife Queen Elizabeth (known to most of us as "the Queen Mother") was called off because the King had health issues, but the cancellation came too late to stop production of a yellow-glazed slipcast commemorative mug by PPC Portland Pottery Ltd of Staffordshire.

Four years later Portland Pottery was taken over by Ridgways.

That same year Crown released an identically shaped mug (actually slightly taller), differing only in the relief decoration, to commemorate the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.

Many souvenir items had been pre-ordered for the 1949 tour, according to reports from Australia. The Sydney Morning Herald, February 2nd 1949 (page 2), under the headline "Royal Souvenirs Not Dead Loss" commented that "... souvenir mugs ... may soon be looking down from bathroom shelves with father's shaving brush standing in them." According to the same article some retailers regretted cancelling their orders as even though the tour did not go ahead there was still a demand for the souvenirs. A photo of the Portland mug accompanied the article:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18103100/1017319?zoomLevel=3

Up until seeing this English mug I had thought the Crown Lynn commemorative mug was a New Zealand design, unique but in keeping with other Crown Lynn wares of the same time, the Fancy Fayre (also based on English pottery) and other pieces in the 400s gallery.

I have not yet found any evidence of the Crown Lynn mug, or one similarly styled, being used in Australia as a coronation commemorative, nor do I know whether the Portland mug was released in New Zealand. Mine was bought in NZ but may very well have made it here from Aussie. The shape differs from any I have seen for the 1947 tour of South Africa.

How devastating to find that this shape was made by Crown Devon [not SylvaC] and I know who would have been the copier as it is just a splendid shape!  These 51 jug/vases are only found in the experimental glazes so were made very early in the 1940's.  
I was gutted!
http://www.perfectpieces.co.uk/largepicpage.php?name1=C43

..that is such a lovely shape!

Another surprise that I saw yesterday was a shape 314 with Made In Germany on the base! The only difference was that the German one had the lines going right through the glaze and into the clay.

O dear o dear. I have always thought those vases looked German!

Was it numbered 314 Ev? I remember arguing with the seller of my 315 about whether it was German, but all it had on the base was 315. Mine is painted like the Salisbury vases, in browns.

No it wasn't numbered and it had the writing right around the inside of the foot on the base. The glazing was very different to what I have seen before. I remember that auction that you won and I believe that with the number 315 it was Crown Lynn probably finished by Salisbury, though now I wonder if the trader had seen one that was Made in Germany to compare it with.

I saw this teapot (centre pic) on a shelf at the Salvation Army clearing house in Oslo.

Immediately recognised the pattern as being the same as CL's 1179 Facets Coffee Mug from 1973 (top). Pattern and handle are a match. Maker is James Sadler and Sons from Burslem, England (see bottom pic).

Although the price only amounted to four dollars (I think), the condition and availability of room in my suitcase made it an easy no.

Hi cookreti, those three dogs often get called Crown Lynn, but the Crown Lynn three dogs are quite different. I would guess that these are British.

Hi Eve

Yes having seen the real Crown Lynn ones last week at the mid-winter vintage markets realised mine are very different but non the less...still cute

I have never chosen to buy one of these as they are so big so illustrations will have to be by link. Oh, here's mrnarna's one from the site:

photo by nrnarna https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1027-the-mccallum-mug#2602

I had noted that Elischer Australia produced a set of graduated The McCallum jugs very similar to the Crown Lynn one ...

(Elischer)
http://www.findlotsonline.com/auction-lot-details/266152/

... then I remembered an experience from the life of our dear departed Graham Sharpe. Before coming to work full time at our house Graham had shared a shop in Whangarei as a second hand dealer. That was how we met. Graham eked out a comfortable living as a dealer but never got rich at it.

Graham once picked up a "The McCallum" jug, thinking he had another piece of CL to sell in the shop. On closer inspection he realised he had a piece of Doulton. A sale on ebay netted Graham enough for a return trip to see family in England.

(Doulton)
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/453596993689435452/

That's a great story Jeremy!
Hon-john had the same luck with a pair of Jane Brenkley pieces that he found while opshopping and went back to England for a holiday.

https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t188-an-amazing-op-shop-find-brenkley?highlight=brenkley#609

I have found a third variant of the shape used by Crown Lynn for its Coronation cup/mug.


I have already written about the third image.
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4268p15-which-pieces-of-crown-lynn-were-copied-from-overseas-potteries#24765

The image on the left is a screen grab from google images that turned up when I was searching Elischer, looking at McCallum jugs. The original is no longer available. I originally thought it could be Australian but a bit more digging produced numerous examples.

The first gave me a pottery.
The seller, "Robbins' Roost Antiques" of Nashville Tennessee, gives the measurements as 3in H x 2.5in D, and says that it is marked "KSP", but unfortunately there is no photo of the base. USD35 + shipping if anyone wants it.
http://www.rubylane.com/item/20735-1901/Queen-Elizabeth-Coronation-Mug-1953

"KSP" led me to Keele Street Pottery and a third example:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KSP-england-keele-street-pottery-embossed-mug-elizabeth-II-coronation-1953-/161782955961?hash=item25ab03ffb9

And another:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1953-QUEEN-ELIZABETH-II-CORONATION-KEEL-STREET-POTTERY-CUP-MUG-/121707785794?hash=item1c56596e42

2 here:
http://www.cathyscollectables.co.uk/pages/Vintage_Mug_Keele_Street_Pottery_Coronation_Of_Queen_Elizabeth_England_1953_217601-z=674590&p=98604.cfm

I have found some others as well but this one on etsy shows the base:
http://madammillipede.com/Sports/iphone-4s-cases-nl.asp?listing/196940003/1953-ksp-coronation-mug-cup-queen?ref=related-0

Keele Street Pottery may prove to be a source for other CL shapes.
Here are some histories:

http://www.thepotteries.org/allpotters/616.htm
http://www.potteryhistories.com/keelestpottery.html
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Egg Cups

One aspect of KSP that stands out is their production of single-fire egg cups pre-WWII as German-made ones were taken off the market.

Notable is the Little Red Riding Hood, often attributed to CL/Ambrico:

http://www.decorativearts.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=38&products_id=142

(It's not an overseas pottery reference but I think this topic will do.)

Although it was $2 for an old plastic mug I couldn't resist this find at the Mangawhai community opshop a couple weeks ago. It was a very familiar shape!

stacking plastic mug and Titianware 1372 "Bellows" Stacking Coffee Mug 21.3.83

This reminds me I have an orange bellows mug that I should photograph and add to the 1372 topic: https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5317-blue-bellows-1372-which-castware-mugs-are-genuine-titian#19973